You're attempting to cast a spell, not a cantrip or an orison. I think there was an earlier thread on this that had some good links.Īlso, I'm with this guy. You don't have 0 level spell slots, so you can't use this combo to cast a spell as a cantrip. It is not a cantrip, and you still need to find an appropriate spell slot to cast it with. So it doesn't matter even if you somehow reduce the minimum spell slot required to negative. If you are a wizard, you can use a 0 level slot, but that means you get one shot, rather than using it an unlimited number of times. If you are a sorcerer or oracle, you have no level 0 spell slots, so you have to use at least a 1st level slot. Reducing the level of a spell to 0 means you have to use a level 0 or higher spell slot to cast it. You can apply Wayang Spellhunter and magical lineage to cast it using a 2nd level spell slot. It's just like how an extended haste cast using a 4th level spell slot is still a 3rd level spell. A cantrip seems to be defined as a spell that is level 0 ab initio (just like haste is a 3rd level wizard spell, whether you cast it using a 4th or 2nd level spell slot). I actually think that RAW you technically *can* lower a spell below its original level, but also that reducing the effective level to 0 does NOT make it a cantrip. However, that is almost definitely not the intent of the spell to begin with. In the example of Shocking Grasp, I could see the argument for allowing it to be a 1st level spell. The feat says "a" metamagic feat, not "each" metamagic feat. I don't think having multiple metamagic feats would cause the effect to stack multiple times. If it does I think Magus just lost their 15 minute work day and became true DPR kings lol. I'm sure it wasn't intended to work this way but it looks like it does if you go strictly off the wording of the traits. Im not seeing anything by the wording or under the rules of Metamagic Feats that say this doesn't work. How about a Tenebrous Merciful Scorching Ray as a Cantrip? If i have both traits could I make a Magus that has memorized a 0-Level Tenebrous Intensified Shocking Grasp? By the wording it should work.įor example. Can I use these two traits in conjunction with 0-Level Metamagics to lower the original spell level?
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